I saw him as an opening act for Hole and NIN in the way early 90s in Chicago the university. Music still meant a record or DVD purchase back then, some culture too, I mean us Wax Trax fans were there just for the bitches cuz those bands were posers and we knew it the entire drive down. It was then for my generation that industrial was about to get dug up from the underground to the pop world. It was better when I didn't hafta talk about it here.