i agree

[Trappernicus]

3 hours ago, ABlackViolet said:

If you don't want kids, get a vasectomy. What is stopping you? If you don't want kids and your partner gets pregnant, keeping the pregnancy sounds really irresponsible and illogical. Kids deserve parents that actually want them.

Are you trying to force your views and opinions on others? Birth control pills have been around since the 1960's. So what's you excuse now? 🧭

[Trappernicus]

Abortion affects more then the Mother. Take a moment to imagine if these celebrities, who were planned to be aborted,  had been deleted from the world and what impact that would have had on life as we know it.

Celine Dion

When this Canadian singer's mom found out she was pregnant, she understandably felt overwhelmed because it was her 14th child. While she did consider abortion, she spoke with her priest who was able to guide her and offer her the support she needed. And what an addition Celine was! As a much-loved singer worldwide, she has brought so much pleasure to millions of people for many years.

Justin Bieber

The young hearthrob is only here due to his mother's fortitude. In fact at 17, Pattie Mallette found out she was pregnant and received pressure from people to have an abortion. "I just knew I couldn't. I just knew I couldn't. I just knew I had to keep him," Mallette shared with Today host Kathie Lee Gifford. "And, do the best. I -- you know, I didn't know how I was going to do it. But I just knew that I couldn't -- I couldn't abort. I had to do my best. I had to see what I could do. And I was determined to do whatever it took."Well the young mother seemed to do a pretty good job, as many Beliebers would attest!

Andrea Bocelli

Can you imagine a world in which we never got to hear the dulcet tones of this famous Italian tenor? Well, Bocelli's mother was told by her doctors to abort her son because he would be born with a disability. According to Bocelli, his mom was hospitalized with appendicitis. As he shared in a short video below:

"The doctors had to apply some ice on her stomach and when the treatments ended the doctors suggested that she abort the child. They told her it was the best solution because the baby would be born with some disability. But the young brave wife decided not to abort and the child was born. That woman was my mother, and I was the child. Maybe I'm partisan, but I can say that it was the right choice."

Tim Tebow

The American football player's mother, Pam Tebow, suffered from amoebic dysentry, necessitating strong medication. Her health worsened when she found out she was pregnant. As Tebow explained in his book, Through My Eyes, the doctors considered him to be a type of tumor that had to be removed. Pam refused. She looked to prayer to help guide her, and the result was a healthy baby boy who has entertained millions with his incredible football career.

Steph Curry

Another sports hero is only here today because of his mother's faith. As Sonya Curry shared in her book, Fierce Love: A Memoir of Family, Faith, and Purpose, it was thanks to the Holy Spirit that she turned away from the abortion clinic. “God had a plan for that child. There could be no Stephen. If I would have gone through that there would have been no Wardell Stephen Curry II.”

Jack Nicholson

In 1990, the legendary actor revealed in an interview with The Washington Post in the 90s that he grew up not realizing that his sister was actually his mother. This impacted his own attitude towards abortion. While he claims to be pro-choice, he also stated that he was personally against abortion as "I'm an illegitimate child myself and it would be hypocritical to take any other position. I'd be dead, I wouldn't exist. And I have nothing but total admiration, gratitude and respect for the strength of the women who made the decision they made in my individual case."

The star is a father himself and stated in the same interview that he feels blessed to have his children.

Just imagine if you were aborted we couldn't have this discussion could we? 🧭

[ABlackViolet]

1 hour ago, Trappernicus said:

Are you trying to force your views and opinions on others? Birth control pills have been around since the 1960's. So what's you excuse now? 🧭

Birth control pills are not 100% effective. There are several ways that they can be disrupted. Taking other medications like antibiotics can lessen the effect. Taking it at an inconsistent time can also lessen the effect. Everyone's body is different. There are a million ways it can fail.

[ABlackViolet]

1 hour ago, Trappernicus said:

Abortion affects more then the Mother. Take a moment to imagine if these celebrities, who were planned to be aborted,  had been deleted from the world and what impact that would have had on life as we know it.

Celine Dion

When this Canadian singer's mom found out she was pregnant, she understandably felt overwhelmed because it was her 14th child. While she did consider abortion, she spoke with her priest who was able to guide her and offer her the support she needed. And what an addition Celine was! As a much-loved singer worldwide, she has brought so much pleasure to millions of people for many years.

Justin Bieber

The young hearthrob is only here due to his mother's fortitude. In fact at 17, Pattie Mallette found out she was pregnant and received pressure from people to have an abortion. "I just knew I couldn't. I just knew I couldn't. I just knew I had to keep him," Mallette shared with Today host Kathie Lee Gifford. "And, do the best. I -- you know, I didn't know how I was going to do it. But I just knew that I couldn't -- I couldn't abort. I had to do my best. I had to see what I could do. And I was determined to do whatever it took."Well the young mother seemed to do a pretty good job, as many Beliebers would attest!

Andrea Bocelli

Can you imagine a world in which we never got to hear the dulcet tones of this famous Italian tenor? Well, Bocelli's mother was told by her doctors to abort her son because he would be born with a disability. According to Bocelli, his mom was hospitalized with appendicitis. As he shared in a short video below:

"The doctors had to apply some ice on her stomach and when the treatments ended the doctors suggested that she abort the child. They told her it was the best solution because the baby would be born with some disability. But the young brave wife decided not to abort and the child was born. That woman was my mother, and I was the child. Maybe I'm partisan, but I can say that it was the right choice."

Tim Tebow

The American football player's mother, Pam Tebow, suffered from amoebic dysentry, necessitating strong medication. Her health worsened when she found out she was pregnant. As Tebow explained in his book, Through My Eyes, the doctors considered him to be a type of tumor that had to be removed. Pam refused. She looked to prayer to help guide her, and the result was a healthy baby boy who has entertained millions with his incredible football career.

Steph Curry

Another sports hero is only here today because of his mother's faith. As Sonya Curry shared in her book, Fierce Love: A Memoir of Family, Faith, and Purpose, it was thanks to the Holy Spirit that she turned away from the abortion clinic. “God had a plan for that child. There could be no Stephen. If I would have gone through that there would have been no Wardell Stephen Curry II.”

Jack Nicholson

In 1990, the legendary actor revealed in an interview with The Washington Post in the 90s that he grew up not realizing that his sister was actually his mother. This impacted his own attitude towards abortion. While he claims to be pro-choice, he also stated that he was personally against abortion as "I'm an illegitimate child myself and it would be hypocritical to take any other position. I'd be dead, I wouldn't exist. And I have nothing but total admiration, gratitude and respect for the strength of the women who made the decision they made in my individual case."

The star is a father himself and stated in the same interview that he feels blessed to have his children.

Just imagine if you were aborted we couldn't have this discussion could we? 🧭

If I had been aborted, that would have been my mom's choice. None of those stories makes a difference. Others are not affected by the choice of the person who has to carry the kid. If the father wants a kid so badly, he can pay a surrogate.

[ABlackViolet]

1 hour ago, Trappernicus said:

We each are responsible for our own choices in life. We really can't blame others when we do something we should have either known better to do or should have at least taken precautions to advert any negative outcomes. Individual and personal choices has nothing to do with those in power. 🧭

You're right. When pregnant people are not allowed bodily autonomy because their state has outlawed it, that's clearly the pregnant person's fault. When they can't afford birth control because the government has made it impossible for them to receive Medicaid, that's clearly the pregnant person's fault. 🙄

Your unwillingness to learn anything new, when you're clearly ignorant on this topic, is your choice. I agree.

[Trappernicus]

59 minutes ago, ABlackViolet said:

You're right. When pregnant people are not allowed bodily autonomy because their state has outlawed it, that's clearly the pregnant person's fault. When they can't afford birth control because the government has made it impossible for them to receive Medicaid, that's clearly the pregnant person's fault. 🙄

Your unwillingness to learn anything new, when you're clearly ignorant on this topic, is your choice. I agree.

"Bodily Autonomy"? Nice try. You keep ignoring the rights of the unborn child.

The best way to avoid,

• Unwanted Pregnancy
• Transmittable STD's
• Internal Scarring and damage

Is easy when you choose to,

• Abstain from casual and random sex
• Use Prophylaxes and Birth Control Methods
• Learn Self Defence and Protection

So after the act has been done. Whether by choice, accident or an attack; the child is always ignored. People need to remember that the embryo is a living life. Not some extra bit of unwanted flesh to be chopped out and thrown away. As I posted above there are many who have been thankfully saved from being abortion. Each abortion essentially murders a possible future leader or influencer. 🧭

[ABlackViolet]

4 hours ago, Trappernicus said:

"Bodily Autonomy"? Nice try. You keep ignoring the rights of the unborn child.

The best way to avoid,

• Unwanted Pregnancy
• Transmittable STD's
• Internal Scarring and damage

Is easy when you choose to,

• Abstain from casual and random sex
• Use Prophylaxes and Birth Control Methods
• Learn Self Defence and Protection

So after the act has been done. Whether by choice, accident or an attack; the child is always ignored. People need to remember that the embryo is a living life. Not some extra bit of unwanted flesh to be chopped out and thrown away. As I posted above there are many who have been thankfully saved from being abortion. Each abortion essentially murders a possible future leader or influencer. 🧭

Yes, it's alive. No, it's not a "child." It's not a person. A person is viable outside the womb. The only person in the equation is the one who is pregnant, who you clearly do not care about.

It is bodily autonomy. No one is allowed to use your body without your consent. You can't force someone to donate a kidney. You can't even take an organ from a corpse without them having had agreed to it while they were alive.

If you are advocating for the rights of the embryo or the unborn instead of the pregnant person, you are advocating for special rights to a non-person.

Abstinence is not realistic. Schools in which abstinence-only is taught have the highest rates of STDs and unwanted pregnancies. Education helps prevent these things.

Birth control can fail. It is not 100%. This is why there are plenty of pregnancies that occur after contraception was used.

Learn self-defense and protection? Are you seriously blaming rape victims for being raped? How absolutely disgusting of you.

Unwanted pregnancies after consensual sex does not grant special rights for the unborn. You can consent to sex and not to pregnancy.

Murder is the intended killing of another person, including wilful neglect. Again, an embryo or even a fetus is not a person. A forced pregnancy that leads to the death of the mother is murder. 

In addition, forcing a pregnant person to carry a dead fetus because of strict anti-abortion laws causes sepsis and risks the life of the pregnant person. Abortion is the solution to save the pregnant person.

An abortion is the ending of a non-viable pregnancy. How is that "murder?"

Considering you have defended rapists at this point, there is nothing further to discuss with you.

You're very uneducated and absolutely vile.

Goodbye.

 

Edited Saturday at 12:21 PM by ABlackViolet

[Omen]

9 hours ago, ABlackViolet said:

It's irresponsible and selfish to create an entire person you didn't want, can't afford, or will put up for adoption. Having parents that either don't want you or can't afford you is traumatic. Being an orphan is also traumatic. Why does an embryo 'need' to become an entire person that has to be taken care of?

Would you rather have no chance at life or go through that? I believe most would choose life. 

[ABlackViolet]

3 minutes ago, Omen said:

Would you rather have no chance at life or go through that? I believe most would choose life. 

What are you talking about? 🤦 An embryo and a fetus are not people. Even if they were, no one has a right to use someone else's body without their consent. Period.

Edited Saturday at 12:25 PM by ABlackViolet

[Trappernicus]

17 hours ago, ABlackViolet said:

What are you talking about? 🤦 An embryo and a fetus are not people. Even if they were, no one has a right to use someone else's body without their consent. Period.

Current scientific understandings is that both an embryo and a fetus are levels of life. So your argument is painfully mute.

Earlier you stated that when 'men' can become pregnant then they can decide what will be done to the life within them.

I will counter this with the point that when 'women' can get pregnant without the involvement of either 'men' or 'sperm' then they
can have the sole right to do as they wish with their bodies. 🧭

[ABlackViolet]

I have already expressed what men can do do prevent pregnancy. You called it control. It's not. It's the equivalent of telling women to just use birth control. That would be men using birth control, too.

Men ejaculating is not equivalent to carrying a pregnancy that changes the pregnant person's body, forever. No, they should not have the final say.

You are a misogynist. I have nothing further to say to you.

[Pete]

Alright guys I'm going to close this thread as I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions